Over the course of centuries of intermingling between the ethnic Sith and Dark Jedi, the name "Sith" would come to apply to the martial philosophy and political affiliation created by the former Jedi exiles on Korriban, rather than a specific race. [41] After Pall and his “Dark Jedi” followers were exiled for their practices, they eventually settled on a planet named Korriban, which was occupied by the "Sith," a red-skinned humanoid race with a high prevalence of Force-sensitives. Shewas a Sith who served as the apprentice of Darth Bane. It was possibly the holocron that, according to Emperor Palpatine, was the only true holocron used by the Sith who adhered to Bane's Rule of Two. There are countless examples of this we could cite from all over the EU, but just to be simplistic, if knowledge meant superior power, Luke should never have beaten Vader in RotJ. hutchy1345. However, the Republic and the Sith Empire forces soon teamed up to fight against Malgus' Empire and managed to track him down to his secret base, where they defeated him. He first appeared in Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace, where he was ordered by his master to capture Queen Amidala of Naboo in order for her to sign a treaty that would legalize the Trade Federation's invasion of the planet. Occasionally, a Dark Lord such as Darth Rivan or Darth Ruin, would rise and fall, but the Sith did not become a major threat again until around 2,500 years later. Assumptions? Bane started the Rule of Two, which evolved into the Sith as they are seen in the films. However, they received an unexpected visit by Darth Sidious, who considered Maul's sudden rise to power a threat to his rule, and dueled both him and Opress. Initially unknown to Vader and Sidious, two children were delivered by Padme before her death. After Rey died to kill the Sith Lord, Ben revived her using the Force, and shared a kiss with her, but then died as a result of using all his life energy to save her, becoming one with the Force. Without the orbalisks, a Force nexus, or some other circumstantial element, not even once to my recollection; lightsaber prowess was generally the more crucial matter in Bane's fights. Well, I get more pleasure at countering arguments then presenting one myself, LAL. His public persona was Rugess Tome, a legendary artisanal starship designer with a galaxy-spanning reputation, and he was known for being a scientific genius and master planner, as well as for his breathing apparatus. The Sith feature heavily in many stories of the Star Wars Expanded Universe (EU), appearing in a variety of media created prior to the advent of the 2015 feature film Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Darth Maul (Maul) was a male Dathomirian Zabrak Sith Lord who served as the first apprentice of Darth Sidious. Darth Bane was as good as dead but his apprentice saved him. Harth was only considered the "most dangerous threat in the galaxy" because the Jedi thought the Sith were destroyed by the thought bomb, and the quote is obviously hyperbole. The Jedi Order sought to use the powers of the Force to help defend the weak and advance the rule of law across the galaxy, in keeping with their ethics of self-sacrifice and service to the common welfare. And considering DoE Bane is more than a tier and a half or so above PoD Bane, his raw power is definitely comparable to Vader's, or potentially greater. Who will win in a fight between Darth Bane and Darth Vader (Legends)? Shop with confidence. [28], Darth Vader (Anakin Skywalker) was a male human-cyborg Dark Lord of the Sith and the third and final apprentice of Darth Sidious, who first appeared in the Star Wars original trilogy, and later in the prequel trilogy. Vader has telekinetically destroyed AT-AT's, exploded Lyleks (whose carapaces are harder than armor), brought down Cathedrals, manipulated freighters, shredded Vulture droids with the wave of his hand, brought down huts from Wroshyr trees, and dominated force users like Jax Pavan/Galen Marek. Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, Revan appears as a holographic avatar for a holocron discovered by Darth Bane. He just said he thought Vader and Palpatine were the biggest "bad guys" of them all. [16] Fully embracing this approach, they became defined and corrupted by it. A Jedi hero of the Yuuzhan Vong War, he eventually fell to the Dark Side years later and masterminded the Second Galactic Civil War. He was ultimately killed by Ren, after failing to foresee his betrayal. He knew the measure of his former apprentice now. He lacks feats if someone ignores or lowballs half of them like you. Extended indulgence in the dark side reshapes the user's psychology, resulting in a loss of humanity, morality, empathy, and the ability to love, leaving every Sith, to varying degrees, amoral, cruel, sadistic and violent. Forced to flee from Korriban, Andeddu created the world of Prakith, where he would rule as a deity for several centuries until meeting his demise and entombing himself to prevent his followers from stealing his secrets even in death. The first six Star Wars films chronicle the consummation, and eventual undoing, of this ancient scheme. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. In the Legends continuity, Darth Tenebrous (Rugess Nome) was a male Bith Dark Lord of the Sith with the power of foreseeing the future, including his own death, and the master of both Darth Plagueis and Darth Venamis, the latter of whom he kept secret as it was a violation of the Rule of Two. After the destruction of the first Death Star, Vader was charged with tracking down the Rebel Alliance and destroying their headquarters. Or that a strong case could be made. Severe saturation in the dark side may even lead to physical degradation. I always got the impression he was referring to what Zapan87 said, because otherwise he would have made note of power. Although Sith seek dominion, Sith philosophy stresses that power belongs only to those with the strength, cunning, and ruthlessness to maintain it, and thus "betrayal" among the Sith is not a vice but an endorsed norm. In a tragic irony, Amidala's sheer horror at discovering Skywalker's collaboration with Sidious in destroying the Jedi would itself be the cause of her death during childbirth, though Sidious would trick Skywalker into believing that an episode of Skywalker's physical abuse of Amidala had been the actual cause of her death. They are also revealed to have artificially created and cloned Snoke,[33] whom Palpatine used as a puppet to control the First Order and seduce Kylo Ren to the dark side. They circled the top of the cloning tower, striking and assessing, then striking again. With the help of Kanan and Ahsoka, they fought three Inquisitors, all of whom are killed by Maul. So how is it the former is still far more powerful than the latter? I doubt it would make its way into a duel with Vader. But these characters aren't comprised on feats alone. Sadow's efforts were initially met with success, his forces amplified by illusions that Sadow projected from his meditation sphere. If he had in his mind that Darth Vader was to be superior to the very character he wrote - I see no reason to actively deny it. She defeated the three Sith, and without the Sith leadership, and the destruction of their base of operations on Malachor V, the remaining Sith forces faded into obscurity. Superhero battle match: Darth Bane versus Darth Vader (Legends). How is it Dooku wasn't his superior in power? Darth Traya (Kreia) is a mentor to the "Jedi Exile" and the hidden main antagonist of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II – The Sith Lords. Darth Krayt, born A'Sharad Hett, was a Human male who served as a Jedi Master in the waning days of the Galactic Republic. Round 2: Darth Vader wins the battle against obi wan Kenobi and doesn't lose his arm or legs, it's 20 years In the future and he has gotten predictably stronger alongside the emperor. Just because he had his Orbalisk doesn't mean the feat shouldn't be looked at, at all. Darth Bane helped the old age of Sith fall, yet introduced the Rule of Two to make his line of Sith more powerful. Secondly, I think you night want to check out my Darth Vader respect thread, since you left a few years ago, so there are a few things you possibly missed, including canon stuff. [5][6] In particular, the contrasting narrative relationship between the dark side-using Sith and light side-using Jedi mirrors several modern and classical literary tropes. Harth has nothing compared to Galen or even An'ya Kuro in skill, so Zannah beating a hald trained apprentice is hardly comparable to anything Vader has done as a duelist. Re: Darth Vader vs Darth Bane vs Darth Malgus on Mon 18 May - 14:52 Vader's TFU scaling and feats blow Bane out of the water, that leaves Malgus who is hard to compare, based on scaling and overall kinetic output Vader wins via force push spam After absorbing Force energy from numerous locations across the galaxy using the scepter, Tavion and her cult traveled to Korriban and almost succeeded in resurrecting Ragnos, but were stopped by Luke Skywalker's New Jedi Order. Bane became more technically refined, he has no feats suggesting he became that much more skilled than POD. Darth Caedus (Jacen Solo) was a Dark Lord of the Sith born as the oldest son of Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo. Ragnos lived on as a Force spirit following his death, trapped within his tomb in the Valley of the Dark Lords on Korriban. While concealing their identity as Sith, a succession of Sith masters and apprentices would work through the centuries to inveigle or force themselves into positions of power and undermine responsible government, preparing the Galactic Republic for eventual usurpation. Zannah toying around with people like Set Harth who the Jedi considered the most dangerous threat in the galaxy is nothing to scoff at. Likewise, Sarro and Raskta were only notable via hyperbole in claiming "Raskta killed as many Sith via the thought bomb", which is hyperbole as well. @dccomicsrule2011: I thought that was Revan? Vader has tanked fire from AT-AT'S, used barrier to withstand an explosion of a massive Imperial base, apart from Vader simply using his lightsaber. Sith emphasize "survival of the fittest" and view restraint as a weakness. After helping Sidious kill Jedi Master Mace Windu, he swore allegiance to the Sith and was given the name Darth Vader before setting out to destroy all Jedi left on Coruscant. Once Jedi heroes who led the Republic to victory in the Mandalorian Wars, Revan and his comrade, Alek, turned to the dark side after stumbling upon the Sith Empire, hidden in the Unknown Reaches of space, and being tortured by the Sith Emperor. Eventually, Ren discovered that the Sith Lord Darth Sidious was still alive and plotted to kill this potential rival, but instead sided to him after he revealed the Final Order, a massive fleet of Xyston-class Star Destroyers equipped with axial superlasers capable of decimating entire planets, which he promised to give Ren control of in exchange for killing Rey, revealed to be his grandaughter. Round 1: Bane has no orbalisk armor Round 2: Bane has orbalisk armor Who wins and why? Dooku served as the figurehead of the Separatist Alliance throughout the Clone Wars until meeting his demise at the hands of Anakin Skywalker in Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith, who decapitated him at Chancellor Palpatine's (secretly Darth Sidious) urgings, thus revealing that Sidious never cared about Dooku and merely used him to aid his plans. Most of them were former Jedi, who had lost their faith in the Jedi Order and succumbed to the dark side, during or shortly after the Clone Wars. In this way, Darth Bane guaranteed the conspiracy remained a secret for a thousand years; he believed that the kratocratic essence of Sith philosophy could be reconciled with a sustained project of galactic domination and revenge against the Jedi. I have already received requests for CaV debates, and whether or not I will be debating any, I can't promise. Bane as of PoD is canonically more powerful than Kaox Krul or Odion. In the EU, the Sith trace their origins to the followers of a dissident Jedi named Ajunta Pall, who endorsed the use of the Dark Side of the Force, contrary to Jedi orthodoxy. Which suggests only the Sith are superior to him - which they are. Well, would you define Nihilus as a villain? Snoke was an artificial being created by Darth Sidious and his Sith Eternal cult on Exegol, and a major antagonist in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Likewise, Sarro and Raskta were only notable via hyperbole in claiming "Raskta killed as many Sith via the thought bomb", which is hyperbole as well. After Momin's spirit killed some of his personnel, Vader examined the mask and learned of Momin's past, before letting him possess the body of a Mustafarian and build a fortress for him. The best apprentice of the best Sith academy. The strongest among the Exiles, Ajunta Pall, became the first to hold the title Dark Lord of the Sith. Once a Jedi Knight and Revan's best friend, the two of them fought together in the Mandalorian Wars. In the Star Wars canon, Darth Bane's backstory as the only Sith surivor of the Jedi-Sith war and the creator of the Rule of Two is mostly unchanged, though not much else is known about him. When Ahsoka Tano, Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger arrive, Ezra is separated from them. And he isn't featless. Luke Skywalker later learned about Momin and his history during his travels across the galaxy, and described the Sith Lord's role in building Vader's fortress in his book, titled The Secrets of the Jedi. He was eventually rescued by his brother Savage Opress twelve years later, during the Clone Wars. Starkiller struck again, with both lightsabers. The character is a primary antagonist in the original trilogy and a primary protagonist in the prequel trilogy. He's a far inferior duelist, he's not remotely comparable in the force or raw power (Without a darkside nexus), and Vader's telekinetic showings outstrip Bane's unamped showings by an immense degree. This policy allowed them to make great progress in their war against the Republic. However, he later revived again in the presence of his new apprentice, Darth Sidious, until Venamis' organs finally ceased to function, and he died for the final time. Irrelevant. In the Legends continuity, Darth Desolous was a male Pau'an Dark Lord of the Sith who was expelled from the Jedi Order due to his violent nature and trained an army of fellow Pau'an warriors to fight them, but ended up falling into a trap set by the Jedi and perished in battle. Star Wars: The Clone Wars first aired on Cartoon Network in 2008. He rolled and leapt, and came up swinging. After a period of non-fighting, called the Galactic Cold War, tensions boiled over, and the Galactic War began. Though the case is somehow made that Anakin Skywalker was born of a virgin, which simply translates into a slave girl… The Sith were formally introduced on-screen with the release of Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace in 1999 as a shadowy martial order manipulating the movie's political factions into a galaxy-spanning civil war. [46] The Sith appear as major antagonists throughout this story's plot. After Momin's spirit possessed the bodies of two thieves, the others abandoned them and destroyed the ship, seemingly ending Momin's legacy. Forum Posts. After Tenebrous was killed by his other apprentice, Darth Plagueis, he eventually found and defeated Venamis, before capturing him and using him as a test subject for his midi-chlorians experiments over the following years. Vader has a more expansive wealth of dark side lore at his disposal, via Sidious' Sith archives and the ruined Jedi Temple archives, but I would venture to say Bane was a bit more of a scholar than Vader was. To the Sith, greater power is the only authentic goal. The Sith are dedicated to the "Sith Code" and to mastering the dark side of the Force. Although Sith are deeply affected by the Machiavellian methods and dark arts they practice, they are not portrayed as necessarily irredeemable: Some Sith, most famously Darth Vader in the final moments of his life, have renounced the Order and the dark side of the Force, as has Kylo Ren. In matters of dress, Sith may adopt any attire consistent with their plans or guise; they commonly favor black robes, armor and gis when presenting themselves authentically. It's no assumption that Darth Bane is among the most powerful Sith Lord in history with an extensive understanding of lore and lightsaber mastery. While the Alderaanian summit progressed, the Sith settled into an occupation of Coruscant. The Knights consisted of seven individuals named Ren (their leader), Vicrul, Ap'lek, Cardo, Kuruk, Trudgen, and Ushar. In developing the history for The Empire Strikes Back, Lucas condensed this into one character in the form of Darth Vader.[10]. [15] Count Dooku is the active Sith Lord and leader of the Separatist Alliance. Opress managed to become Tyrannus' new Shadow Hand and learned only a little about the ways of the Sith before Ventress had him help her fight their master due to his actions under him getting unwanted attention from the Jedi. 3. He lived at an unknown point in time before Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace and was seduced to the dark side after losing his faith in the Jedi Order, believing that the Jedi should retain their family ties and wealth. These lightsabers were eventually destroyed by Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker, thus possibly erasing all knowledge about Atrius himself.[30]. 4. Darth Bane vs Darth Vader (Legends) Created by DeanDinosaur6 1 wins (14.3%) The platform buckled and twisted, sending Starkiller flying. 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